Dear Aunt Dorcas,
What are some good guidelines for interacting
with men in the workplace? I
work for a business where my interactions are primarily
male. I enjoy what I do, but at the same time, I think/worry about crossing
professional boundaries.
This is in the context of mostly married men. I grew up without a lot of
male interactions, so I feel like I’m navigating new territory in some ways.
Some ways that I’ve tried to think about this in the past: I try not to say
anything that I would not say if his wife was standing right there, especially
if we are talking about my personal life.
I am a very outgoing, cheerful person. This seems to add an extra
challenge. In turn, people seem to feel safe with me. Just today, I had a
conversation one on one and later I wondered if it was okay for him to tell me
that.
What about messaging outside of work? Is it okay if its casual? For
example, if someone sends me a message like, “You wanna come join us for supper
tonight?” or “I appreciate your cheerful personality in the front office.”
Do we cross boundaries if the messages get too personal as in, "I
think I miss you when I’m gone," or "I don’t wanna play favorites at
work, but girl! You’re pretty awesome!"
Can I ever trust my gut? This feels okay/this doesn’t feel okay? I’m
sure that there are things and situations that vary. But seems like there are
some pretty standard things to keep in mind. From your repertoire of wisdom,
what would you say to me? Where does blessing each other as people come into
play? Does Jesus' life in the New Testament give us any insight? He certainly
wasn’t afraid of women!
--Katie
Dear Katie—
I showed your question to
some of my adult children who have more experience in the workplace than I do.
Our son Ben said, “Instead of answering her question, you need to clarify the
context. I don’t know what she’s asking, which means she probably doesn’t know
what she’s asking.”
I’m guessing you’ve been embarrassed,
accused, or otherwise burned by personal experiences you can’t share publicly. You
are naturally friendly and engaging, but you know that a woman being too
friendly with men at work can get complicated and end badly.
Reading between the
lines, I think you are a caring person who can be fully trusted.
You know your heart and
intentions, but you also know others can only see your actions.
The obvious question is
your first one—" What are some good guidelines for
interacting with men in the workplace?” But other questions are implied: “Are
my words going to be misconstrued? Is my behavior appropriate? If someone
thinks I’m flirting, does that automatically mean I am? Am I responsible if someone texts me inappropriately? Where, exactly, is that
invisible line that has loads of trouble waiting on the other side?
As a housewife, I can’t
answer you as someone who’s been in the work world. However, I can share my
experience as a writer, an observer, and a wife and mom of people in the work
force.
I meet and hear from both
men and women. I’ve had many conversations with male readers, and I accept
facebook friend requests and messages from men. My husband is free to read all
those messages. I’ve learned to quickly sniff out who is a nice, interested reader
as opposed to what my children irreverently call a SOOM—Slightly Obsessed Old
Man.
Those are the ones who
shake my hand a little too long and gush a little too much at book signings. Or
they send a nice message about an article, and then the next message says my
husband is such a lucky man. Out you go, Sir.
I also share your trait
of being someone that people confide in, which carries its own rewards and
dangers. Again, experience has helped me discern what’s ok and what’s not. I’m
not able to give needy people lots of my time, unfortunately, and no man gets
very far telling me about his troubled marriage.
I created my current
boundaries gradually after learning that I can’t be all things to all readers
and that certain words give instant clues that a man is a SOOM.
You asked if you can
trust your gut. My answer is yes. That’s what I do, but my gut has been
informed by long experience, input from others, and a commitment to Jesus and
my marriage.
Your dilemma comes from a
number of factors, I think.
1. You’re
naturally a bubbly, caring person, and people confide in you.
2. The
rules at work don’t seem to be clearly defined.
3. You
worry that your intentions will be misconstrued and your words taken wrong.
4. You
feel responsible for how you’re perceived and how others respond to you.
5. Your
work life seems to overlap with your life outside of work. For example, an
employee invites you over for dinner, and people text you outside of work.
The first boundary to
draw here is around your own heart. Only you can know what your motives and
intentions are. You can define your goals in your work relationships, evaluate
messages and conversations, ask for help, and know if your conscience is clear. You have the
power to adjust and change.
Then, I feel you need to
consult a source outside of yourself for defining expectations at your
workplace. If your boss can’t be troubled with this, talk to friends in similar
situations or look up sources online. A list of rules at similar workplaces
might clarify things for you.
My kids with jobs out in
the big world said that their policy is to not mix work life and personal life
at all. However, this can get fuzzy if you’ve gotten to know people so well
that conversation is easy and you know about their babies, political views, family
crises, and so on. Also, if you go to the same church, or an employee is
married to your cousin, a list of rules makes less sense.
Here’s where we hit that
strange swamp of intentions and perceptions. You are obviously responsible for your
intentions, but are you responsible for how they take your words?
On the one hand, we have
the people who like to tease and joke annoyingly and hurtfully. When you
finally confront them, they say, “Hey, I was just joshin’ ya. I didn’t mean
anything by it!” We don’t care about their
intentions. We just want them to take responsibility for how they come across.
But then there’s the guy
who sent you the [inappropriate] text that you’re so awesome. If you confront
him, I would bet money he’ll insist you flirted that morning by offering him a
cup of coffee, and how was he supposed to know you didn’t mean a whole lot of
other things by doing that?
You both know your intentions were honorable, and it isn't wrong to offer a cup of coffee. That's what really matters here.
I’m guessing you’re
Mennonite, although I don’t know for sure, and I want to insert here that in
Mennonite male-female relationships, women have borne far too large a burden
for how both men and women interpret their words and actions. A friendly girl
who likes to talk to the guys is often accused of flirting. That was the case
when I was young, limiting my skills in having normal talks with guys. My
youngest daughter informs me that that standard still applies.
At best, this makes for
awkward conversations fraught with self-consciousness. At worst, it makes women
responsible for men’s sins. Some of us find conversations with non-Mennonite
men easier, more comfortable, and less stressful.
So, you need to be aware of
the culture you’re in and how you’re coming across, and adjust accordingly, but
you can’t change someone’s heart. Someone with an evil heart will interpret
anything you do or say through their own lens.
Finally, give yourself
grace. Maybe you were needlessly nervous or you shared too freely. You can
learn from your mistakes and do it differently next time. You mentioned Jesus
and his relationship to women. If your heart is guided by Jesus and accumulated
wisdom, you’ll be able to read a situation and respond appropriately. Eventually, you won’t
need to rely on a list of rules or on feedback from others. You’ll be the
blessing you want to be, both in the workplace and outside of it.
That’s what I think. I wish you all the best.
Aunt Dorcas
PS—I shopped your
question around to my kids to get a variety of perspectives. Here are some of those conversations.
JENNY
Our daughter Jenny is
about to graduate from college with a degree in mathematics. Originally, her
major was engineering, so she’s been in male-dominated classes for years. She’s
also done lots of formal and informal tutoring. When she and Amy were both at
Linn-Benton Community College, Amy said she’d sometimes walk across campus and
see a picnic table full of nerdy engineering majors, with Jenny teaching
them how to do their physics homework.
“So,” I asked her, “How
did you navigate good boundaries in this setting?”
She said, “One benefit I
had is that none of the guys felt like options. Me being ‘religious’ and them
being non-religious created a barrier. I’d never talk about personal stuff or
crushes like I would with girls.”
“I didn’t agonize about
if the stuff they told me was too personal. What they tell me isn’t my problem
unless it’s something I’d rather not know, then I’d let them know I was
uncomfortable.”
“I often ended up in an
informal tutoring role. We’d work on homework together. Often I’d figure things
out and explain them to everyone else. Apparently I was notorious for not just
giving out the answer. My friend Brian was talking to another friend about me
and said, ‘Yeah, you can ask Jenny for help, but she’ll still make you work for
it.’”
“There were a couple of
times I felt uncomfortable with how close they seemed to feel to me. I never
felt like it was my fault. I just tried to avoid them for a while, not in a
rude way, but just intentionally not being where I knew they’d be.”
I asked, “Do you feel
like Mennonite culture makes heavy weather of girls talking to guys?”
Jenny said, “When I talk
to a Mennonite guy, there’s this thing in the back of my mind—ooooh are you
being flirtatious?? I even make the same judgment about other Mennonite girls
when they like to talk to guys.”
“Overall, it’s fine to be
friends with guys and talk about things, but don’t get emotionally invested,
and the deepest matters of the heart you should discuss with close female
friends.”
BEN
Ben is a grad student studying
combustion at Oregon State University. I asked him about relating to women at
work/school.
“There’s not that many
women in my field. I guess there’s one woman in my lab. I don’t get that
personal with the people I work with. Some of them do stuff together outside of
work, but I have more outside friends so I don’t as much.”
I asked, “Did female
students make you uncomfortable?”
Ben said, “No. We’d mostly
talk about school related stuff, maybe have a discussion on how we all solved
#5.”
PHOEBE and MATT:
Matt is our oldest son.
He used to work for the Navy and now works for NASA. Phoebe is our
daughter-in-law and has worked in a variety of settings, including jobs in
Washington, DC. They focused more on situations that make you uncomfortable.
Phoebe emailed the following:
A lot of the boundaries one
might set in the workplace have to do with personal comfort levels, not
absolute right and wrong. Personally, I’ve leaned toward sharing minimal
personal information at work. I can say, “ I’m not comfortable sharing that.”
Or “I don’t share that kind of information at work.” I can also change the
subject. That goes for men and women.
It’s difficult to set
hard and fast rules. To me, it seems like quantity and frequency of information
shared might matter more than content.
There are also
professional, rather than moral factors to consider. Depending on her role in
her workplace, chatting about personal things (like weekend plans, kids, pets,
etc) with coworkers/clients could be seen as appropriate or even as relationship-building.
In others it might seem distracting and irrelevant.
I think phrases like:
“Wow! That sounds so
difficult.” “It seems like you’re handling that well.” “Thank you for helping
me with X.” can be used safely with pretty much anyone. But if someone is
complaining or venting, some phrases I’ve found helpful are:
“Well, I should get back
to working on X.”
“Have you mentioned that
to (the person they’re complaining about)?”
“Well, I’m on my way to
the (printer, restroom, etc.). See you later.”
Monotone “Hmm” and “Oh”
are also good conversation-enders.
If you’re comfortable
being more direct and it’s an ongoing situation, you might try: “I’m
uncomfortable with the amount of time we’re spending talking about X.”
Or “Let’s not talk about
this.”
If she feels
uncomfortable with something someone else is saying/doing she should feel free
to trust herself and bring her concerns to the attention of the person, or
someone who supervises them (or her). If the other person has good intentions,
they will want to act in a way that makes her comfortable.
Matt points out here that
people being creepy will usually do so in a plausibly deniable way.
“Oh, I didn’t mean it
like that.”
“It was just a
compliment.”
“You’re taking it the
wrong way.”
“I’m just being
friendly.”
If you feel
uncomfortable, it’s ok not to believe the person and to report, avoid, or
distance from them even if they claim good intentions.
It is also ok to make
rules like, “I don’t share my personal phone number at work.” Or “I don’t
privately message coworkers/clients about non-work information.” And it is ok
for these rules to apply to some people and not others.
I had a conversation
about this with Matt and took down the following thoughts of his (since he’s
driving).
Matt recommends that the
writer think about how she would act toward a man in her workplace that she
likes. Does she treat him in a way/talk to him in a way/let him talk to her in
ways that feel ok because he’s attractive, but wouldn’t otherwise? That could
give other guys in the office ideas about what is ok/not ok with her.
Matt also thinks it’s
important for women to understand that men have an almost innate desire for
attention from an attractive woman. If you suspect he is unconsciously seeking
attention, do not respond in kind. If you receive a long heartfelt message
about how much he misses you when you’re not at work, your maximum response
should be, “Thanks.” Assume he’s a SOOM.
In Matt’s observation,
men who have healthy relationships with their wives are less likely to interact
inappropriately with other women. If he is complaining about or “joking” about
his wife publicly, or in private messages, that is a major red flag.
Your boss, if he is a
man, may not be very sympathetic to a report that another man is behaving
inappropriately toward you. Your experience is so far from anything he’s
experienced that it might be very difficult for him to understand and
sympathize. Even if he is well-intentioned, he may not intervene in the way
you’d hope for because he has no concept of how the situation feels to you or
is affecting you.
If you bring it up and that
is the case, you might consider whether you can bring the situation up with
(depending on the workplace structure) his wife, or another woman who can help
get through to him.
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Aunt Dorcas has four children with degrees from Oregon State University. The fifth, Jenny, graduates in a few weeks. Here she poses with Emily in 2017. |